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Kobe Bryant and his Lifetime Achievement MVP

Posted on: May 14, 2008 3:10 pm
 

here is a collection of posts discussing Kobe Bryant winning the MVP this season. I will say that he should have had at least one by now, but this was the wrong year to give it to him unless you are making it a compilation of the past 3 seasons with the slugs he had around him calling themselves Lakers. this might seem a bit random, but i am responding to other posts which i will try to separate when i can.

Please enjoy. Comments and hate always welcome and i will read it all.

here are some posts i have made in the past few days..

here is the first post and the original article

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/8111712/How-Kobe-fina
lly-earned-his-first-MVP

i agree that Chris Paul probably was the more deserving winner this year over Kobe Bryant... but here is how i see the final weeks in the voters heads... humour me abit :-)

"ok, Kobe finally has a team and looks like he wants to play with Pau Gasol, Derek Fisher, Lamar Odom and Jordan Farmar.. but this Chris Paul kid with the Hornets.. wow, he has taken a team that struggled for years to the top of the Western conference... young guys like David West, Tyson Chandler, vets like Peja Stojakovic and Morris Peterson sure have helped make him a worthy candidate... let's see.... o dear, it seems Kobe has NEVER won an MVP, we can't give one to this kid until Kobe gets one... maybe then he and his army of loving adoring homer fans will shut up and stop emailing us about how good he is..."

vote Kobe Bryant for MVP.... not saying he didn't deserve one this year or by now... but i am pretty sure he got more than a few votes that way... next year, it will be LeBron James who will win as he has to get one before anyone else new gets one... maybe the Cavaliers fans will stop whining about how great he is by then.. yes he is good... Bill Russell is was and always will be great. When LBJ can show us 11 rings, he can tell us how great he is.

then the guy responded

Kobe and Paul were clearly the clear-cut MVP candidates this season - both were equally deserving based on their cumulative merits based on this season's performances.  In the end, the balance of the scale finally tipped in Kobe's favor based on one key reality - the Lakers finished the regular season atop the hotly contested Western Conference.

 

so based on this statement, the MVP SHOULD have been Kevin Garnett since he was the Best player on the team with the BEST record, or is it only based on the best record in the west..?? it seems the playoffs have revealed to you western conference fans that the east is not as full of walkover teams as the west as the Nuggetts barely made the Lakers break a sweat yet were touted as a championship caliber team stuck in the tough west.. same for the Warriors.. the 76ers and the Hawks both put up a great first round battle to teams that had better records than both the Lakers and the Hornets in the Pistons and the Celtics.

Now, finally, in this season, it all crystalized for Kobe - he was finally able to become the team leader that the Lakers always needed him to be - the final result speaks for itself.  Trust in his teammates and ultimately being surrounded by the correct pieces to allow that trust to flourish into confidence and a winning team attitude was the difference in the Kobe of this season from season's past.  Paul was all that to the Hornets as well, but the bottom line is that Kobe was the best player on the best team in the toughest conference this season

i for one am tired of people saying the MVP went to the best player on the best team... if that was the only criteria, the voting would not be done after the regular season. As for the teams themselves.. the Hornets improved by 17 wins, while the Lakers only improved by 15 so that arguement favours Chris Paul not Kobe. and finishing 1 game atop of the pack when there are only 3 games separating the top 5 teams does not mean they are the best team in the division... that is what the playoffs are going to determine... what i have heard over and over again is how this is a team award... that is bs or it wouldn't be called the Most Valuable PLAYER award... i fear that the award has digressed from the days when it was given to the player who was consistently shown that his team is not as good without him in the lineup.. the Lakers can't say that this year.. but the Cavaliers can... LeBron James will win a few as will Chris Paul... Kobe deserved one, but i think he should have won 2 years ago when Steve Nash won his second... that year, he carried a bunch of slugs... this year, he can score or not and the team can win.

then he made the "best player on the best team" comment

i think that simply saying the MVP award goes to the most statiscally impressive player does the award a dis-service - also, then Kobe would have won a couple more as his numbers were more impressive than Steve Nash's except in assists per game both the years he won his MVP and he was statistically better than shaq the year he won. Kevin Garnett won his MVP for taking a bunch of slugs to the Championship round... not because he was the best player in the league or the top statistically in every catagory. this year KG's personal stats suffered as he melded into a system that rewards tough defense and unselfish team play, thus they won the most games of any in the league. i could make a case that Chris Paul means way more to this young Hornets team than Kobe Bryant does to a talented though hurting Lakers team. there have been periods when Pau Gasol has looked absolutely unbeatable and periods when Lamar Odom has been a beast.. Andrew Bynum was on his way to a career year and a possible MVP candidate before his knee said stop and he didn't.. LeBron James is one of the most impressive athletes in any sport. there is no question he IS the MVP of his team as he is about 75% of his teams offense and about the same defensively as well.

so why did Dirk Nowitzki win MVP last year? was he the best player on the best team? well his team did have 67 wins so he was the best player on the team so just give him the award? then Kevin should have got it this year.. the award has to be more than that since Nash did not have the best team in the west the years he won...

true, the last game of the season the Lakers and Hornets played, Kobe took the kid to school... but i offer that made little difference. the award was Kobe's to lose this year as a makeup for the 2 or 3 that got away...  is he the best player in the league? won't go there.. too many people love their team too much to debate that. is he the best player on his team? yes. is he the most valuable? yes, but it is very close as the team seems to be very well balanced and we won't know how beast like Bynum could have been... imagine him down low with Pau!!! wow

and one more for now

I'm really tired of hearing people say that Chris Paul took a WNBA team and turned them into a legit contender for the NBA championship. WIth or without CP3 the Hornets are a good team. Besides CP3 they have 2 allstars and a great defensive center. 

 i agree.. this team was a decent team last year.. 39 wins is decent, but the 17 game turn-around clearly is due to the fact that this year CP3 stepped up big time.. as well, the exact same could be said about Deron Williams who i think should not have been so quickly dismissed. head to head these two gave us a few very good games to watch and the Jazz are not out of the series yet because he has carried them on his shoulders... as he did most of the season... as did Kobe Bryant..

Tyson Chandler has always been a great defender and rebounder.  Before Chris Paul, Tyson  Chander avg 7ppg and since Chris Paul he avg 10 ppg in the last 2 seasons.David West is an allstar. He can create his own shot  and hit the mid range jumper. Before Chris Paul arrived the David West only started 9 games and avg 15 min per game over 2 years. The same year CP3 arrived David West became a starter and his minutes increased to 35 min per game. David Wests numbers and production went up as his minutes reflect.Peja S is one of the greatest 3 point shooters in the game. He is a 3 time allstar and in the 2003-04 season he was 4th in the MVP rankings. Enough said

 i won't disagree with any of this either red, but as we know about the NBA, it is a team game and one that the Magic are so quickly showing us, talented front courts NEED at least an average back court to be consistantly successful. the Celtics are proving how young Rajon Rondo is as he struggles in the few games and the Celtics struggle. David West has struggled this post season i suspect due to the lack of room down low for him to create those shots he made all season.. as Peja Stojakovic has struggled, the defense has packed in around him and Tyson creating a very small area for West to work. and being guarded by Tim Duncan will cause a lot of good players fits.

This team was destined to be a great team this year. Last year they had 3 allstars miss a total of 120 gamges. Peja missed  70 games, David West 30 games and Chris Paul 20 games. It is not a surprise the Hornets are in the second round of the playoffs.

 i understand the injury situation all too well.. the fact is, they won only 39 games last year, this year they won 56, only one behind the Lakers. the play of Chris Paul has been brilliant and that is why he was in the hunt. All i was saying is that i think that Kobe received this award this year to make up for the slight some people think he has received.. not that he doesn't deserve it, that is NOT what i am saying... i just think that his career weighed very heavily on his selection and the fact that the best player on the best team as many say should get the award, Kevin Garnett, already has one.

that of course, is just my opinion...

 
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Posted on: May 14, 2008 8:33 pm

Kobe Bryant and his Lifetime Achievement MVP

tak,

You are right on with your analysis of this issue.  As I posted yesterday.  This is CLEARLY a lifetime achievement award.  I myself won an award for 2008.  But I did more last year to deserve the award than this year.  It was given to me because of my work as a whole for the last 2 years.  But the title of the award is for 2008.  Of course I will accept the award but I cannot say that someone else my have deserved it more because of there work THIS YEAR.  Like Chris Paul.  He deserved the award because of his work THIS YEAR.  He has made the Hornets relevant for crying out loud!!!  That alone is enough.



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Posted on: May 16, 2008 2:40 pm

Kobe Bryant and his Lifetime Achievement MVP

Takman, great work! I was discussing the other day that usually the first MVP in the NBA comes about 8-10 years in the league and seems reserved  for those that perform at a certain level year over year. I cannot say Kobe did not deserve the nod this year any more than I'd vote Chris Paul the MVP. I say this only because the best player on the court IMO night after night no matter the game or odds was Kobe. He never took time off when things were not going his way. He summoned all his strength and challenged his teammates (although not always diplomatic) to be their best. It is this body of work that makes the young man this year's MVP.  Was it not the same for Steve Nash who by no means deserved back to back!



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Posted on: May 16, 2008 2:52 pm

Kobe Bryant and his Lifetime Achievement MVP

One additional quick thought. Had Shaq remained a teammate of Kobe's would he have gotten another MVP or would he still be in waiting?



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Posted on: May 16, 2008 3:14 pm

Kobe Bryant and his Lifetime Achievement MVP

cmsball20

thanks for the comments and for taking the time to read through all that writing.

I believe that had Kobe Bryant not told the Lakers to pick between him and Shaq, that Shaq would have won another MVP as he was still in decent shape and the next season, he anchored Dwyane Wade and the Heat to a title in which Wade won the Finals MVP. Kobe, to me of course, could not handle working in the shadow of Shaq who at the time was by far the most popular player in the league. Kobe was the instigator of the meanness that the locker room digressed into, yet the Lakers choose to keep the younger Kobe to build the next incarnation of a dynasty around.

the two years of wilderness the Lakers went through with Kwame Browne who was supposed to be the next Shaq and the horrible teams they fielded focused the media and the world's spotlight on Kobe, which is all he wanted in the first place. HE became the center of the team and at times appeared to take over the GM role to find the pieces that we have today. He was re-united with probably the only point guard in the league he liked in Derek Fisher who would NOT attempt to steal the glory or spotlight from him - EVER! he got rid of the slugs and brought in Pau Gasol which allowed him to develop that 3 spot mid post position in the triangle that was so successful with shaq, but with Kobe as the focus. the rise of Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom and Jordan Farmar looks to be a promising young prospect who added valuable minutes to the mix as did Luke Walton and Sasha Vujacic.

Chris Paul has struggled through a couple tough years in his time with the Hornets will be a year over year contender as Kobe has been for about 10 years now. While Tim Duncan ages gracefully and Manu Ginobili begin the downside of their careers, guys like Deron Williams of the Jazz, Dwight Howard of the Magic, LeBron James of the Cavaliers and Chris Bosh of the Raptors will begin to emerge as MVP choices year after year. i think that too was a factor in giving him the MVP this year as well. Next season, we shall surely see the push to get LBJ his mvp for working with manequins for so many years. i am sure he loves Ohio, but i bet he is counting the days until 2010 when he can sign for 1 billion dollars with the Knicks, who D'Antoni should have playing basketball that matters by then.



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Posted on: May 16, 2008 11:32 pm

Kobe Bryant and his Lifetime Achievement MVP

Takman, on point with all your comments but I have one exception comment. After watching Dwight Howard it occurred to me he is or has quite a bit of work to do. For so long his strength has been enough but now with facing 6 11 each night and lots of weight equal to his, other skills has to be developed. I am so in agreement with those others mentioned and believe it or not two of the guys are from The Lone Star state where I now reside.

So, very good point about Kobe getting his now since there is a changing of the guard and I'd admit LBJ will get the nod very soon. In fact, if they beat Boston on Sunday, go ahead and pencil him in for the MVP next year. Sorry Chris you're going to have to wait again.



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